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ziouxpioux
01-24-2015, 01:19 AM
When the light hits him just right he has beautiful blue highlights on his body and fins. Gorgeous Fish. I have a female that goes with him quite nicely. They should produce some excellent fry!
http://pics-akamai-cached.slickpic.com/NDcyMDY4MzUzMWVhMw,,/20150123/OTgzOTgyODg4Mzg,/p/1200/P1230022.jpg

and then I have this amazing Albino Silver, am in love with his fins, who I am pairing up with a Platinum Pearlscale, All my Albino Silvers grew up to be males. Tain't that the way it goes some days. I had 5.

http://pics-akamai-cached.slickpic.com/NDcyMDY4MzUzMWVhMw,,/20150123/OTgzOTg1MWExMzM,/p/1200/P1230008.jpg

Danburns
01-24-2015, 07:20 AM
A great Pinoy under the right lighting can be a real eye catcher. To see the blue popping out in contrast to a deep black background, I think is very striking. I hope they spawn soon for you.

ziouxpioux
01-24-2015, 08:14 AM
Here is a recent video of the pair.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHh-1axlDRg

Danburns
01-24-2015, 12:45 PM
Nice! Great blue in them for sure. Is there a half-black gene in the mix, maybe just my imagination? In any case, I bet they will throw some nice offspring.

ziouxpioux
01-24-2015, 01:30 PM
Nice! Great blue in them for sure. Is there a half-black gene in the mix, maybe just my imagination? In any case, I bet they will throw some nice offspring.

I have no idea their genetics, They just showed up in a hatch of River 11's, and I did not ask as I really like them. He said these have not been proven so ------ kinda fun!!!!

Mugwump
01-24-2015, 02:10 PM
Kinda does look like some HB working in there, doesn't it?...remember tho, pairing two Pinoys can be produce some weaker spawns upon occasion....

Danburns
01-24-2015, 04:18 PM
I agree, it is fun to occasionally pair up some unproven fish just to see what they throw. Some great surprises can pop up unexpectedly. Nothing is for certain, of course, but coming from Mike the Pinoy pairing may have good odds at producing strong D/D offspring. He has a great reputation for producing high quality fish. Like Jon said though, sometimes they can be weaker and may need a little help early on. You chose your source well. :cool:

ziouxpioux
01-24-2015, 04:35 PM
Well, I kinda run in dubious company though. http://www.lotsoffish.net/ (Pete and my website.)
My Koi come from Bierbower. As well, as the Albino Silvers. Plus, Mike was a guest author for me on one of the pages.
And the Platinum Pearl-scales Pete scored for me in Pennsylvania.
I have been very fortunate, :)

Mugwump
01-24-2015, 05:50 PM
I agree, it is fun to occasionally pair up some unproven fish just to see what they throw. Some great surprises can pop up unexpectedly. Nothing is for certain, of course, but coming from Mike the Pinoy pairing may have good odds at producing strong D/D offspring. He has a great reputation for producing high quality fish. Like Jon said though, sometimes they can be weaker and may need a little help early on. You chose your source well. :cool:

Righto...not only the D/D being a factor..but throw in the PB... D/D pb/pb....Mike has great stock tho....so they could be some real lookers, if they do fine....

Pete?...dubious....:D....naw......one of the best out there....crazy too...he he

ziouxpioux
01-25-2015, 06:06 AM
Like Jon said though, sometimes they can be weaker and may need a little help early on. You chose your source well. :cool:

Dan can you or Jon elaborate just how to give the weaker ones a little help early on. When I read that, I envision Physical Therapy and see a fish lifting weights. Besides daily water exchanges, plenty of live food, gentle circulation of the water what else can be done?

Danburns
01-25-2015, 08:32 AM
Sure thing. What I do with spawns that have weaker fry is to separate them out as soon as possible and give them their own grow-out tank. Double dark blacks, albinos, really any genotype that experiences slower growth will benefit from separation from their stronger siblings early on.

ziouxpioux
01-25-2015, 10:08 AM
Sure thing. What I do with spawns that have weaker fry is to separate them out as soon as possible and give them their own grow-out tank. Double dark blacks, albinos, really any genotype that experiences slower growth will benefit from separation from their stronger siblings early on.

Makes sense. Why did I not think of that? It is so obvious.

Danburns
01-25-2015, 10:42 AM
Makes sense. Why did I not think of that? It is so obvious.

You can also bump up the temp a bit in the "intensive care" tank to raise the metabolism of the little guys. I have found 84 to 86 degrees to be beneficial for a week or two. It helps them to catch up to, or maybe even surpass, their larger siblings. Be careful to maintain pristine conditions, 86 degrees is also very beneficial to bacterial explosions.

ziouxpioux
01-25-2015, 12:09 PM
You can also bump up the temp a bit in the "intensive care" tank to raise the metabolism of the little guys. I have found 84 to 86 degrees to be beneficial for a week or two. It helps them to catch up to, or maybe even surpass, their larger siblings. Be careful to maintain pristine conditions, 86 degrees is also very beneficial to bacterial explosions.

Ok, I hatch and raise wigglers at 82, I was not sure about going any higher as that is particularly warm. But - thanx - I will do that. I do the water exchanges with a drip system so as not to shock their little bodies and it works out very well and is gentle for them.