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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by catsma_97504 View Post
    There is much confusion over phenotypes and genetics where these fish are concerned.

    While Raiko has stated a D/+ bg/bg is a BSP, he has also indicated this genetic combo will not hold the dark fin coloration. This is in conflict with the required dark fin and light body per Raiko's description of how his new gene affects phenotype expression with the Dark gene.

    Further he has stated that a D/D bg/bg would hold the dark finage and he calls them "True BSP". However, his original photos indicate that when the term Seal Point was suggested those fish were genetically D/g S/+ bg/bg or D/Gm S/+ bg/bg. There is no mention of the Stripeless gene in recent discussions on the bg gene or BSP phenotype expression.

    This is very confusing to refer to the phenotypes as BSP or True BSP. And is leading to some heated discussions.

    Another point of conflict is with the "New Platinum" as this fish does not carry the gold gene required for labeling as a Platinum type. With the fish I have the "New Platinum" types appear to be light green body with blue fins. However, prior to maturity they did look much like a platinum in coloration.

    Through the gene study we will hopefully be able to replicate Raiko's work. Unfortunately he has not been willing to share any information on their detailed history or his breeding records which could help to get the gene accepted. Therefore we will need multiple breeders collecting breeding documentation to submit to the Standards Committee to accurately document and replicate results for acceptance.
    Thank you for clarifying, I am behind on "Raiko news" these days and so am blindsided to the fact that there are some new developments (at least from my standpoint). So, for the sake of clarity, can you post a link indicating all these new information from Raiko? If we're going to canonize this gene, best for the majority of members to be familiar now to help clear the way for the eventual acceptance process into our standards.

  2. #22
    Much of this information is pulled from forum posts written in Raiko's native language and through Private Messaging. I will see if I can locate the links again.

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    If we're going to canonize this gene


    hmmm... thinking it might be a wee bit premature to go there. Maybe if test crosses, such as +/pb x 'bg/bg' , are done and results can be reported in a more scientific manner it would be better ...



  4. #24
    The fish Raiko shipped to the USA last fall are just now starting to mature. Of those who have these fish I am unaware of anyone else breeding them successfully or planning to log breeding results to share with TAS to help get the gene accepted. And with Raiko unwilling to share his information we will need at least one if not two other breeders to confirm results.

    In fact your question is one reason why I started this thread. Hoping to identify who has Bulgarian Green Angelfish and who is planning to log and share breeding results.

  5. #25
    I am evidently working from an outdated premise. He was very receptive to my suggesting that someone from TAS would do the submittal - several years ago. I haven't been following his progress since that time owing to time availability so I'm scratching my head wondering why the turnaround especially now that his fish are available in the US not to mention the fact that TAS' President is actually going hands-on to directly champion his work. Well, if it doesn't happen, it certainly would not be from TAS' lack of effort to get it going/make it happen.

    On the otherhand, maybe it's a moot point anyway since, data directly from him or not, TAS would nonetheless still require proof independent of his information; i.e. from TAS member breeders. You know what I mean?
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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by terrapins View Post
    I am evidently working from an outdated premise. He was very receptive to my suggesting that someone from TAS would do the submittal - several years ago. I haven't been following his progress since that time owing to time availability so I'm scratching my head wondering why the turnaround especially now that his fish are available in the US not to mention the fact that TAS' President is actually going hands-on to directly champion his work. Well, if it doesn't happen, it certainly would not be from TAS' lack of effort to get it going/make it happen.

    On the otherhand, maybe it's a moot point anyway since, data directly from him or not, TAS would nonetheless still require proof independent of his information; i.e. from TAS member breeders. You know what I mean?

    Exactly...it seemed after all the original threads, and discussion, everything ground to a halt as for as getting any stock to work with here in the states....David even offered to bring them in....but it wasn't until later that David ended up striking a deal to buy them....then they came in already crossed....back breeding to get the original BG's may prove a mute process not knowing what he actually did to get those that expressed for him.....seems like a page in the story is missing??.....
    Jon
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    Just to keep this log of sorts current, below are photos of the spawn at 1 week free swimming.
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  8. #28
    Sweeeeet....nice pics
    Jon
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  9. #29
    Thanks Jon

  10. #30
    COOL! I'm excited for you about what F1's you'll see!

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