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  1. #21
    Just because you have a different opinion doesn't make me wrong.

  2. #22
    g/g = gold
    g/g - pb/pb = platinum

    Gm/g = Gold Marble
    and in the same way
    Gm/g - pb/pb = platinum marble

    similarly
    Gm/Gm - pb/pb = platinum marble

    The above is the naming convention that Ken Kennedy proposed, and most people adhere to. Apart from anything else, calling a Gm/g - pb/pb a blue gold marble would be confusing to anyone unfamiliar with angelfish genetics, since in general they're not gold, and have very little in the way of blue on them.

    Gm/+ - pb/pb is a blue gold marble.
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  3. #23
    Sorry Dena, wrong choice of words..

    What I posted for the genetics and naming was from Paul Susi's calculator....he had worked with Ken too, I believe

    We're talking genotype naming here and to be definitive..the gold marble should be mentioned....aka Blue gold marble....because that is what it is,,,,

    Phenotype names on the other hand have been all over the place, whatever we try to name here, but Plat marble/Plat blue marble has seemed to have stuck....but the calculators should show the genotype names....
    Last edited by Mugwump; 10-03-2015 at 04:55 AM.
    Jon
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  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Mugwump View Post
    Sorry Dena, wrong choice of words..

    What I posted for the genetics and naming was from Paul Susi's calculator....he had worked with Ken too, I believe

    We're talking genotype naming here and to be definitive..the gold marble should be mentioned....aka Blue gold marble....because that is what it is,,,,

    Phenotype names on the other hand have been all over the place, whatever we try to name here, but Plat marble/Plat blue marble has seemed to have stuck....but the calculators should show the genotype names....
    So are we to leave the TAS calculator with the phenotype name on this....??
    Jon
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  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Mugwump View Post
    So are we to leave the TAS calculator with the phenotype name on this....??
    The TAS calculator has a two column output, one for "Phenotype Description" and one for "Genotype Code". Adding an output column for "Genotype Name" would be necessary, correct?

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Danburns View Post
    The TAS calculator has a two column output, one for "Phenotype Description" and one for "Genotype Code". Adding an output column for "Genotype Name" would be necessary, correct?
    No actually it should show the genotype name and genotype code.....The TAS calculator has always been a 'genetic calculator'... ..however, the preferred phenotype name could be added tho.....??.
    When the std committee looks at crosses from a submitted new gene , we're looking at the genetics because phenotype naming should derive from them....not using a phenotype name to justify the genetics.....
    Jon
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  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Mugwump View Post
    No actually it should show the genotype name and genotype code....
    So, under the column title "Phenotype Description", are you saying that the title should be "Genotype Name", or are you saying that all the entries under the column should be listed as the individual "Genotype Name" regardless of the title being "Phenotype Description" I'm thinking that you are asking for the calculator to be changed to reflect the Genotype and not the Phenotype? If that is correct and the calculator does require changing, why not have both listed? ie;,

    Column 1 = Genotype Name
    Column 2 = Phenotype Name
    Column 3 = Genotype Code
    Column 4 = Results (percentage)

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Danburns View Post
    So, under the column title "Phenotype Description", are you saying that the title should be "Genotype Name", or are you saying that all the entries under the column should be listed as the individual "Genotype Name" regardless of the title being "Phenotype Description" I'm thinking that you are asking for the calculator to be changed to reflect the Genotype and not the Phenotype? If that is correct and the calculator does require changing, why not have both listed? ie;,

    Column 1 = Genotype Name
    Column 2 = Phenotype Name
    Column 3 = Genotype Code
    Column 4 = Results (percentage)
    It's supposed to be a 'genetic' calculator....period....genotype names are required.

    it doesn't need the phenotype names......if they're added on as a TAS suggested preference, fine....it's simple.....
    Jon
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  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by catsma_97504 View Post
    No, I meant exactly what I said. Platinum Marbles. It takes Gold Marble with either Gold Marble or Gold as well as 2 copies of Philippine Blue to make a Platinum Marble. Gm/Gm pb/pb or Gm/g pb/pb.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mugwump View Post
    We're talking genotype naming here and to be definitive..the gold marble should be mentioned....aka Blue gold marble....because that is what it is,,,,

    Folks, our standard definition is:

    Marble = "M"arble Gene
    Goldmarble = "G"old"M"arble Gene.

    The phenotype's name is derived in part from the genetics (genotype). Since it was decided at the time of our founding that we would not charter phenotypic naming, commonly used names at the time were "grandfathered" in.

    In the event that we found it necessary to create a phenotypic name, it has been customary to derive it from its genotypic makeup. For example, if the name Koi did not exist and we had to "invent" one for a Gm/g - S/S, it has been practical to call it a Goldmarble Blushing. In the case of a M/Gm - S/S, the more dominant expressed trait is used - therefore it would be called a Marble Blushing. That also means that if it does not have the Marble Gene, it cannot be called a "Something" Marble.

    Is the standard being changed or is our usage misunderstood?
    Last edited by terrapins; 10-05-2015 at 01:26 PM.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Mugwump View Post
    ..however, the preferred phenotype name could be added tho.....??.
    Quote Originally Posted by Danburns View Post
    So, under the column title "Phenotype Description", are you saying that the title should be "Genotype Name", or are you saying that all the entries under the column should be listed as the individual "Genotype Name" regardless of the title being "Phenotype Description" I'm thinking that you are asking for the calculator to be changed to reflect the Genotype and not the Phenotype? If that is correct and the calculator does require changing, why not have both listed? ie;,

    Column 1 = Genotype Name
    Column 2 = Phenotype Name
    Column 3 = Genotype Code
    Column 4 = Results (percentage)


    .....so long as that "preferred" phenotypic name does not compromise our naming standards. If multiple names are in existence and widely used, a solution would be to include a column or footnote stating those. That was why Damon placed a lot of effort in defining what those additional names (when existent) were in his original spreadsheet. The genetic calculator would be an ideal tool to include them. Food for thought: inconsistencies of naming usage can be deemed as a negative within and/or outside of the organization because once we begin making exceptions, erroneously or purposely, we defeat our chartered purpose and summarily lose credibility as a standards organization unless those changes are clearly amended via Standards Comm. process.
    Last edited by terrapins; 10-05-2015 at 02:27 PM.

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