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    Panda Ghost genetics

    I recently obtained angelfish pair, owner called them Panda Ghost 13A. They look exactly same as Panda Ghosts in gallery:

    http://www.theangelfishsociety.org/p...-ghost&cat=510

    They already bred and raised babies (great parents!). Interesting, they produced 4 different color variations of the babies. I'm new in angelfish genetics and trying to figure out, what genetics have parents and babies. I searched about panda angelfish but was unable to find much. Could somebody tell me what a genetics code of the parents? Thanks.

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    Can you put up photos of your fish and photos of their progeny? I've not heard of Panda Angels before but from my limited snoop around it sounds as though there is some form of marble going on (these are what came up for me labelled Panda Angels: http://absolutelyfish.com/wp-content...anda-angel.jpg and they almost look like they are platinum based). It seems to be a trade name, not a genetics-based name, so it will be like any other breeding puzzle in that you'll need to carefully examine the phenotype of the parents, take good photos and get second and third opinions, raise some fry, and carefully assess the phenotypes and phenotype ratios and perform outcrosses with other angels to reveal gene interactions. I also found this: http://arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=500218

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    Panda angelfish are a low color variety of Koi. Many breeders cull them for the lack of orange coloration needed to label them as true Koi, however, others raise them and call them Pandas as they are black and white koi types. Genetically they are the same as Koi (Gm/Gm or Gm/g or Gm/+ with S/S). Not sure if I have any photos, but I will dig around and see if I can find any from the days I bred Koi lines.

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    What's going on with the 'Pandas'in the second link then? The blotching kind of looks like it is due to something else. They are blushing, aren't they, but, what else??? They still have a clear eye-stripe and is that tail stripe due to Z which can't be if they are S/S *shrugs*???
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    Looks a lot like a Philippine blue Koi pariaba.....the greenish splotches are classic pariaba coloring.....Gm/g S/S pb/pb....or possibly Gm/+ S/S pb/pb....'blue' blue koi pariaba??
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    Gm/+ makes a bit of sense given the 2007 phenotype library here states that the co-dominance of gm and + will often result in the stripes showing through. I think I can see how it could work now

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    I didn't see your photo last night? But I would think those are Platinum Marbles. Gm/g pb/pb

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    I didn't see your photo last night? But I would think those are Platinum Marbles. Gm/g pb/pb

    ...and the blushing??
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    Having images of different phenotypes is leading to some confusion with this conversation. I am sure there are many who use some form of Panda in their labeling in an attempt to describe the fish they are selling when they don't know the genetics or the actual phenotype descriptions. This in fact was the key reason our founders began The Angelfish Society.

    I was responding to this image:
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    The one in front appears to have a shortened gill plate, but otherwise looks like Platinum Marbles.

    And I believe you are responding to the photos in the second link:
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    which I agree is a Paraiba type

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    LOL....yeppers, it would appear so.........
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